Facebook vs LinkedIn in 2008

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I was going to leave a comment on Bernie Goldbach’s blog post entitled Silent LinkedIn Generation but thought better of it, mainly because it’s a post I’ve been meaning to write anyway. I started to enjoy reading the post until I saw a link to a post that I had written last year. Linking to my post in confinement would have been ok.

However, it followed this assumption from Bernie

Their dismissive approach papers over their youth. Because most of the social networking gurus strutting their stuff did not use e-mail before 1990.

That’s a wild assumption and one I didn’t appreciate. Before I reiterate my thoughts about Facebook and LinkedIn in full, I’d like to address his assumption because you should ‘never assume’. I was one of the very first employed by AOL when it was a small startup during the mid 90’s. Amongst launching 56k modem protocol and many other interesting technologies such as AIM, I had to self-each myself how to build a Web site so I could teach the trainers, who then taught the technicians. So, like many others who have commentated on the subject, I’ve been around a while. Now that I’m finished with the anatomy size comparison in the mirror I’d like to address the debate.

I don’t dismiss LinkedIn or any other site/tool/technique for the latest fad. I make the switch when the current incumbent adds little to no value to me personally. I like LinkedIn. It does what it says on the tin. But for me, that’s not enough anymore. I continue to use Facebook for many business related activities. For example, I offered the position as Chair of Segala to one of my connections on Facebook recently. Why? Well because it’s the only way we communicate (apart from face to face of course).

As I’ve said before, the people with whom I’m connected on Facebook include some of the most senior people at the biggest brands in the world, as well as government agencies and design agencies. Facebook isn’t dead. It’s only dead to those who move from fad to fad.

I never went to university so I don’t have university friends on Facebook. My 586 Facebook connections is mostly made up of the people with whom I’m connected in real life. Although Facebook has and continues to help me create and build new meaningful relationships with people I may not otherwise have met.

I was going to link to my post to which Bernie links, but it’s still on the Segala blog. It was supposed to be moved to this blog along with everything else that’s not related to Segala’s business so I’ve published my original thought piece below. The original post attracted 40 comments so it managed to stimulate a debate. I believe it triggered a few email forum debates too.

My original thought piece which holds truth today

Ok, for the last time and to put an end to some speculation, I’m no longer updating my LinkedIn profile (full stop).

The reason is simple. I use Facebook as my shop window, into which you can see who I am, who I know, what I stand for, what I’m working on, where I am and anything else I’d like you to know. If I write a blog post, send a twitter or have pictures taken of me talking at an event, you’ll see them via my RSS feeds which are pulled in from various Web sites.

You’ll even see pictures of me looking pissed (even though I’m not in 99% of them, honest). You’ll also see information about projects I’m working on and networking events I’d like my friends and colleagues to attend. Think of Facebook (my use of it anyway) as a very discrete marketing tool, albeit a byproduct of using the tool and network for fun.

I don’t expect all my LinkedIn connections to ‘move’ to Facebook, but I woud like them to register a Facebook account if they’re really interested in ‘connecting’ with me. Some are likely to be skeptical, assuming Facebook isn’t for business people. If you’re one of these people, think again and look at my list of friends. Amongst them you’ll find very senior, connected and respected people from organisations such as Microsoft, Vodafone, O2, emap, BT, New Media Age (NMA), Haymarket, Conchango and the BBC to name but a few. Then, look at their network of friends… you’ll notice that many of us have mutual friends. This is the best implementation of technology I’ve seen to help build circles of trust.

Facebook enables me to ‘engage’ with friends and colleagues on a regular basis. It helps me to build new relationships and strengthen current ones seamlessly. It even helps my close friends and I to communicate more frequently. I even find myself checking Facebook messages before opening an email client. Most of my personal messages are business related so it’s not as if I’m turning to fun before important work (although they are the same thing for me). I think it must be the personal touch of Facebook.

I would like to point out, that you are not forced to show people anything you’d rather not share. You can also control what you see of others, to ensure you don’t get swamped with stuff you don’t care about.

I will sometimes (however rare) accept Facebook connection requests from people I don’t know personally. This however, only happens when they’re friends of people I know well and trust. It must also be relevant. I also connect with people who are associated with organisations with which I’ve got a strong relationship. For example, I’ve started a group for BIMA (British Interactive Media Association). I Chair BIMA so it would be rude not to connect with members, all of whom I do want to engage with as much as possible! Facebook won’t replace the BIMA Web site, blog or email. It’s intended to aid the build of a community and promote BIMA related activity. Perhaps we’ll extend this to promoting the exclusive projects I’m working on with major brands.

For the record, I will continue to accept LinkedIn invites from people I know, but they’re worthless because I won’t be updating my profile and I won’t ever log in to use it. That is of course, assuming they remain Social Network 1.0 status while Facebook steams ahead as Social Network 3.0 service pack 16. Heck, I don’t even us Upcoming anymore for events.

So, get yourself onto Facebook if you wish to grab my attention or promote business and fun related stuff that’s relevant to both of us :)

This post is also intended to address blog posts written by people such as Richard Sedley, Wired Gecko, Aidan, Dennis Howlett. Jemima Kiss from the Guardian has written a nice light hearted piece. It’s also intended to address the few email forums that picked up on my twitter message about my move. Who said twitter doesn’t work?!

It’s sometimes easier to write your own post than it is to write huge comments on other blogs.

[Update] I definitely don’t need LinkedIn anymore as I’ve just exported my entire address book. They should look to import more feeds, rather than export everything.

I use Facebook less but only because I now use other tools with it, such as Twitter, with which I communicate with very early adopters of social media.

Do you think it still holds true. Have you stopped using Facebook? Do you use it more or less?


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    4Avatars v0.3.1  Bernie Goldbach said...

    I’m glad you ported your Facebook v. LinkedIn comparative advantage argument here and I’ve Linked Into it. In fact, I think this blog post will be on the LinkedIn blogging mailing list next week.

    It’s all horses for courses, this FB vs LI debate. In my case, the guys I knew in the 80s only see Facebook over the shoulders of their college kids. They’re the ones with the numeric e-mail addresses I cite, including several general officers in the military, an assistant secretary of a major US government department and three Executive Office staffers. Those are the ones in the "silent LinkedIn generation" I inferred and on further investigation, several of them did not know their names (nothing else) were on LinkedIn. I sent them a short note and we’re back in touch.

    It will be good to see Facebook evolve into this kind of community too. But for the moment, I cannot handle the Facebook noise nor do I have the energy to meaningfully engage in Facebook groups when I’m tapped out in real world committee work. So I’m planning on using the Scoble Scraping Script to enjoy the fastest ejection from Facebook available.


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    Paul Walsh  Paul Walsh said...

    @Bernie - you demonstrate a point with an extreme example. I mean, "general officers in the military" are probably amongst the last I’d expect on any social network, let alone Facebook.

    Facebook, unlike Twitter for example, is mainstream, whether we like it as a tool or not. It has been adopted by all walks of life and continues to grow. It’s important to point out that it was only opened up to professionals a year ago. So, Facebook as it is today, is a year old ;)

    As for the SPAM, it’s your friends that SPAM you, not Facebook. If you don’t want to be invited to new groups then ask your friends to stop sending you the invitations. If they don’t stop, de-friend them. I wrote a post about this specifically. Perhaps I should republish it here also.


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    4Avatars v0.3.1  Evert Bopp said...

    "It’s all horses for courses" is the best statement made in this discussion.  It’s just funny to see this sparking up again just days after I started sending messages to my FB contacts letting them know that I was dumping FB and would only be using LinkedIn. It netted me several messages in agreement with my sentiment as well as a spate of very good new Linkedin contacts. So yes Facebook was interesting but the "noise" was just getting too loud for my tatste…

    E.


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    Paul Walsh  Paul Walsh said...

    @Evert "So yes Facebook was interesting but the "noise" was just getting too loud for my tatste…"

    It’s your friends making the noise. If you don’t like it just ask them to stop. If they don’t stop, defriend them. Simple.

    I don’t get much noise at all - with more than 500 connections. Perhaps it’s the quality of those connections that makes all the difference. You should stop being friends with people who spam you.


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    4Avatars v0.3.1  Bernie Goldbach said...

    One’s social network most certainly deserves to remain of their own culling. In my case, I’ve got more real favours due me through people in my immediate LinkedIn network than I could ever expect among the several hundred Facebook friends I’ve collected. In my mind, a friend isn’t worth the title unless he or she can offer at least a couch for a late night, short-notice stay. Everyone has their own well-thumbed Filofax (Daytimer, address book, name your flavour) entries. In my case, the most-cherished one aren’t on Facebook. But it’s horses for courses and there are certainly people who have just as valuable a set of linkages on Facebook.


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    Paul Walsh  Paul Walsh said...

    @Bernie - along with the business contacts, Facebook is home to my most cherished friends who do put me up at night.


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    4Avatars v0.3.1  Scott Allen said...

    I use Facebook because I’m intrigued by what they’re doing technologically, and there are a handful of interesting conversation spaces. But people’s profiles on Facebook are, on the whole, not filled out as well as the ones on LinkedIn, and Facebook’s search capabilities are, frankly, embarrassingly bad.

    So while it may be an interesting interaction space, as a way to leverage my existing connections in order to find and meet new people, it falls short of LinkedIn.

    I don’t get dropping one for the other. That’s like saying, "I’m putting away my hammer because for the rest of my life I’m going to use screws instead of nails." Different tools, different benefits. If you’re not finding LinkedIn as useful, I would contend that you haven’t explored its applications sufficiently.


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    4Avatars v0.3.1  Robin Blandford said...

    "People are products. Contacts are clients. It is the client that should have the choice in which way to purchase the product."

     http://www.bytesurgery.com/blog/2008/02/11/its-not-your-choice-its-theirs/


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    Paul Walsh  Paul Walsh said...

    @Robin - I don’t disagree. But I’m unsure how that relates to this post. Please explain if you will.


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    4Avatars v0.3.1  Evert Bopp said...

    @Paul But the point is that it’s not spam as such. It’s "application spreading" as promoted by facebook. It’s not a side effect. Facebook without all the applications etc. is just a weaker version of Linkedin without the business focus and search capabilities. But again that’s my opinion, if it works for you that’s great. It just doesn’t add any value for me whatsoever…


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    Paul Walsh  Paul Walsh said...

    @Evert you prove my point well, thanks. So, choose the applications you want so Facebook does what you’d like.


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    4Avatars v0.3.1  Evert Bopp said...

    @Paul you must be reading a different comment than me? Without all the social apps Facebook adds no value for me whatsoever. Continuing to use it would just be wasting time for me. Linkedin on the other hand gives instant, useable results..


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    Paul Walsh  Paul Walsh said...

    @Evert - But read my comment again. You’re saying without ALL apps it’s no value. What part of the ‘install what you want to make it useful’ did you not get?


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    4Avatars v0.3.1  Evert Bopp said...

    @Paul Let’s agree to disagree. Facebook has value for you but it hasn’t for me…


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